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« on: July 07, 2008, 12:58:51 PM »

Hi,


I see many questions being asked and answered again and again. In the hopes of:
a) provide information to our new readers in concise manner, and
b) not to burden the old faithfuls again and again with the same issues,

<drumroll> here's the Druid Forums FAQ. </drumroll>


Other references - checking these out will help you loads
- EJ pre-Naxx tank gear guide
- Druidwiki
- be.imba.hu - Online character auditor, will provide loads of character tailored help


Forums

- How do I make those nifty item links?
To make your item show up when someone hovers their mouse cursor over the text you should make sure the Item's full name is spelled exactly like it is on wowhead.com and put [ item ] [/item ] tags around it (without the spaces).

example: [Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades] is done with [_item_]Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades[_/item_] (without the underscores in the tags).



Bear form

- What stats?
Focus on Armor and Stamina first. Once at safe level, start adding Agility. Any other mitigation stats are fine, as long as you don't prioritize them over the three first ones.
Safe levels are roughly (raid buffed) 15k Health and 26K Armor for Karazhan, and 20K Health and 30K Armor for SSC/TK level raids. Those are not obviously upper limits.


- How much Def/Res do I need to be uncrittable? What is the ratio?
After patch 3.0.2 (basically WotLK game rules) all you need is 3/3 Survival of the Fittest. Pre-3.0.2 it was "154 Defense or 103 Resilience, or a combination of the two (in 3:2 ratio). You must have 3/3 Survival of the Fittest, of course".

- Do I need to be uncrittable?
Yes and no. Getting crit immune is so easy for most of us, so there's really no excuse for not being crit immune. Besides, Survival of the Fittest is simply underpriced and will be even more so in the future, so just get it and forget the whole issue. Smiley

- What's the quickest way to generate threat on a single target?
Enrage for rage, pull with FFF, Mangle as soon as you can - then mangle on every opportunity, stack lacerates and Maul if you have more than 50-60 rage.

- How can I tank multiple mobs efficiently?
Swipe, swipe, swipe. Plus each of the individual hits in swipe has a chance to crit and restore you rage.  Maul with the Glyph is also good. And of course Berserked Mangle is insane, but has 3 min cooldown, so it's really an emergency button or for really agressive threat generation.
When pulling, consider caster form and a hurricane, this provides a good chunk of initial threat to all the mobs.


- What's the best idol?
There's not many options here, Idol of Terror procs often, and you'll be mangling frequently. No other idol provides any defensive buff.  They all deal with +damage.  This makes it the best tanking trinket by default as more threat is often not necessary.


Cat form

- What stats?
Agi is your primary stat. However, due to itemization formula, any item with loads of different DPS stats is bound to be good for you. The DPS stats are, roughly in the order of value, Strength, Expertise, Hit, AP, Ignore Armor, Crit, Haste.
You will also need Stamina to build a sufficient Health base. Dead kitties deals 0 DPS.


- How much +Hit and Expertise do I need? Aren't they the same? Do they stack?
They are not the same (and therefore the question whether they stack or not is moot; yes, they "stack" as they affect different things):
- +Hit reduces the chance your attack will miss.
- Expertise reduces the chance your attack will be dodged or parried.

For Expertise, to hit the 'Dodge Cap' you need 102 Expertise Rating. To hit the 'Parry Cap' (only really valid for tanks) you need about 236 Expertise Rating - not currently possible.
For +Hit the cap you need 142 +Hit Rating.


- What the best attack sequence?
Mangle, Shred to 4 Combo Points, wait for 70+ energy, Rip, Mangle, ...
Never overwrite the Rip debuff. If you have too much energy, do an extra Shred.


- What about Ferocious Bite?
Don't use it, unless the mob is about to die and the Rip doesn't have time to complete.

- Is Claw any good once I get Mangle?
No. Remove it from your action bar. Now.

- Rake?
They tripled both the instant and bleed damage on Rake, making it actually a very very good attack. Rake should definitely be on your DPS rotation.

- I hear the 2-piece set bonus in the T4 set is good for DPS. True?
Yes. It alone is worth more DPS than any of the T4 pieces. It's worth around 220-250 Kitty points for T4 greared people, and close to 300 points at high end gear. It will be worth wearing until you can replace them with 4T6.

- What's the best idol for DPS?
The [Everbloom Idol] when you're considering only personal DPS. [Idol of Feral Shadows] did get buffed, but it wasn't enough to take the lead. In a raid as part of a DPS group, [Idol of the Raven Goddess] gives best overall raid DPS improvement.

- What about powershifting?
Check out this thread: http://www.emmerald.net/forum/index.php?topic=651.0.



Gear lists

- What are the different lists for? What should I know when reading them?
Read here: http://www.emmerald.net/

- What base stats are used in each of the lists? What are the stats values? What are the best gems?
Read the "Info" tabs on each list, e.g. http://www.emmerald.net/Cat_DPS/Index.html

- What does this mean (MY / 6 Stamina [MR])?
It means that you should not socket with colored gems because it doesn't yield as much benefit (including the socket bonus) as socketing with the best available gems.

- Why are you using rare gems in the ratings?
Epic gems are still too expensive/inaccessible for a lot of people. If you can afford them, good for you. You can add the difference in stats to the points value to see the true value for you.



Feral-specific Addons

- My mind is hurting from trying to keep track of all the debuffs etc. on my target. Any pills?
Trust the theBrainTrust to come up with a cure:
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Cat DPS has gotten to be a chore, so I wanted to have an add-in install timers in middle of my screen for me to watch my most important abilities all in the same place. I want to have 'Savage Roar', 'Mange', and Faerie Fire in Cat Mode. In Bear form, I want Mange, Roar, FF, and Lacerate. Most of these are debuffs, Savage Roar is a self buff. I recently set up DoTimer to do this. This is an add-on you can download for curse or other add-on sights.

I have found it makes it much easier for me to keep up Savage Roar and Mangle, so I figured I would share my experience.

By default, DoTimer has 3 windows that it opens. One of these windows is the 'default' window that it sends a lot of information about effects on each of your targets. I modified one of the windows to display only the buffs that I wanted to display.

Type /dot to bring up the configuraiton screen.

Uncheck 'Simple Mode'
Expand the 'DoTimer' menu
Select 'DoTimer'
Select 'Anchor to Customize:' DoTimer Anchor
Make sure it is not the  'Default Anchor' otherwise lots of stuff gets put into this window. Choose some other window to get all the spam.
Make sure that it is NOT filtering self-buffs
Move these timers here: type in Savage and hit enter.  (You just need part of the name, case insensitive)
Move these timers here: type in Faerie and hit enter.
Move these timers here: type in Mangle and hit enter.
.... and so on ....

You could probably create a new window rather than modifying an existing window if you wanted to keep the default behavior and just add another window.
From Cortano:
Important step: Create a NEW timer and ONLY assign it the buffs/debuffs you want to go there
Then turn off display of the other timers.

And then a direct link for download: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/do-timer.aspx




Please post here what you would like to see in this FAQ. Please link to discussions where the answer is given. I will regularly update this main post with the new additions. I'll try to put in a few issues here myself, too.

Also, please provide feedback on the Q&A's already, to improve them.

Thanks for your help!
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 12:59:13 PM »

/reserved, just in case

Edit: I removed all other messages as I want this thread to be solely for the FAQ. If you want me to add something to it, or correct something already there, please post it in this thread. If it's something else, create a new thread for it. I will remove all posts not complying to that request. Thanks for your understanding and help.


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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 07:07:32 PM »

Thought you might put a quick "how to" on making items links so that people can hover to view.  I might have missed it somewhere but I can't seem to make it work.

EDIT:  I'll do it Smiley

To make your item show up when someone hovers their mouse cursor over the text you should make sure the Item's full name is spelled exactly like it is on wowhead.com   and put  [ item ]    [/item ]    tags around it (without the spaces).

example  [Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades]   is done by  [item_]Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades[/item_]   (without the underscores in the tags).
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2008, 10:46:56 AM »

Thought you might put a quick "how to" on making items links so that people can hover to view.  I might have missed it somewhere but I can't seem to make it work.

EDIT:  I'll do it Smiley

To make your item show up when someone hovers their mouse cursor over the text you should make sure the Item's full name is spelled exactly like it is on wowhead.com   and put  [ item ]    [/item ]    tags around it (without the spaces).

example  [Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades]   is done by  [item_]Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades[/item_]   (without the underscores in the tags).
Thanks. I did the update.

I also rewrote some comments in the light of recent changes, but this FAQ could benefit from a complete rewrite. Those of you with the time and interest, if you want to contribute, just get your fingers typing. Smiley Any help will be highly appreciated.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 06:27:39 PM »

Someone want to a full read of the FAQ and point out corrections to all the stuff changed by WotLK? I'll update the list then. If not, I'll do the read sometime...
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 07:01:53 PM »

Here's a quick pass:

Hi,


I see many questions being asked and answered again and again. In the hopes of:
a) provide information to our new readers in concise manner, and
b) not to burden the old faithfuls again and again with the same issues,

<drumroll> here's the Druid Forums FAQ. </drumroll>


Other references - checking these out will help you loads
- Bear pre-Karazhan gear-up guide
- Druidwiki
- be.imba.hu - Online character auditor, will provide loads of character tailored help
- Shifting Perspectives: Gearing up your Resto Druid for Kara Part 1
- Shifting Perspectives: Gearing up your Resto Druid for Kara Part 2

The 3 kara/pre-kara guides are now useless.  Druidwiki and Be Imba are not yet updated for WotLK, though both promise to eventually.

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Bear form

- What stats?
Focus on Armor and Stamina first. Once at safe level, start adding Agility. Any other mitigation stats are fine, as long as you don't prioritize them over the three first ones.
Safe levels are roughly (raid buffed) 15k Health and 26K Armor for Karazhan, and 20K Health and 30K Armor for SSC/TK level raids. Those are not obviously upper limits.


I don't know if a full discussion on armor is suitable for an FAQ, but you should somehow convey the fact that leather no long has bonus armor and non-leather gear will not benefit from the bear armor multiplier in 2 or 3 weeks.  Of course, going for high armor gear in all slots will probably gear you up reasonably well, but it's less important than before.  Also, your health and armor milestones are obviously out of date.  If you're interested in some anecdotal pre-raid stats I had around 28k armor and 26k health self-buffed when first entering 10-man Naxx/Obsidian Sanctum (30k armor and health fully raid-buffed), though after clearing 2 1/2 wings I would certainly not recommend waiting until those values to start raiding.  With competant raiders I would guess that 24k armor and 22k health would be enough to start, though you'd want to beef up a bit before trying a hard hitting boss like Patchwerk or Maexxna.

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- What's the quickest way to generate threat on a single target?
Enrage for rage, pull with FFF, Mangle as soon as you can - then mangle on every opportunity, stack lacerates and Maul if you have more than 50-60 rage.

Using FFF on cooldown is now a good threat generator as long as it doesn't interfere with mangle.  Unfortunately it has some wierd interactions with Misery from shadowpriests for the time being, so if you regularly run with them (like I do) then this tactic doesn't work so well.

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Cat form

- What stats?
Agi is your primary stat. However, due to itemization formula, any item with loads of different DPS stats is bound to be good for you. The DPS stats are, roughly in the order of value, Strength, Expertise, Hit, AP, Ignore Armor, Crit, Haste.
You will also need Stamina to build a sufficient Health base. Dead kitties deals 0 DPS.


Strength has now surpassed agility in power, and AP may have too.  I've also read that crit should be ranked higher than armor pen.

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- How much +Hit and Expertise do I need? Aren't they the same? Do they stack?
They are not the same (and therefore the question whether they stack or not is moot; yes, they "stack" as they affect different things):
- +Hit reduces the chance your attack will miss.
- Expertise reduces the chance your attack will be dodged or parried.

For Expertise, to hit the 'Dodge Cap' you need 102 Expertise Rating. To hit the 'Parry Cap' (only really valid for tanks) you need about 236 Expertise Rating - not currently possible.
For +Hit the cap you need 142 +Hit Rating.

These numbes are old.  It's now 296 hit rating to be hit capped and 214 expertise to remove dodge (assuming a boss dodge rate of 6.5%, which to my knowledge has not been proven).

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- What the best attack sequence?
Mangle, Shred to 4 Combo Points, wait for 70+ energy, Rip, Mangle, ...
Never overwrite the Rip debuff. If you have too much energy, do an extra Shred.


- What about Ferocious Bite?
Don't use it, unless the mob is about to die and the Rip doesn't have time to complete.

- Is Claw any good once I get Mangle?
No. Remove it from your action bar. Now.

- Rake?
They tripled both the instant and bleed damage on Rake, making it actually a very very good attack. Rake should definitely be on your DPS rotation.

I'm just lumping all of the ability stuff together.  We now use a priority queue for attacks rather than a set sequence.  The optimal sequence is still unknown, but we do have some guidelines that should tide you over for now.  Copied from Kazanir at EJ:

1. Keep up Rake
2. Keep up Mangle
3. If both are up, Shred for combo points
4. Use Tiger's Fury at 25 energy or less
5. Use OoC procs to Shred over a Rip/FB
6. Use only 5-CP finishers
7. Keep up Savage Roar
8. Keep up Rip
9. If Rip and SR are up and Rip has more than 4-5 seconds left, FB
10. Berserk on cooldown, ideally when at 80-90 energy with TF up

Of course, this is just his approximation.  I actually believe that keeping Savage Roar running should be #1, and I also think that it's worthwhile to use a <5-CP Savage Roar if it falls off.  It should also be mentioned that you don't need to keep mangle up if you have an arms warrior keeping Trauma on the mob.

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- I hear the 2-piece set bonus in the T4 set is good for DPS. True?
Yes. It alone is worth more DPS than any of the T4 pieces. It's worth around 220-250 Kitty points for T4 greared people, and close to 300 points at high end gear. It will be worth wearing until you can replace them with 4T6.

The 2T4 bonus will not work at level 80.

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- What's the best idol for DPS?
The [Everbloom Idol] when you're considering only personal DPS. [Idol of Feral Shadows] did get buffed, but it wasn't enough to take the lead. In a raid as part of a DPS group, [Idol of the Raven Goddess] gives best overall raid DPS improvement.

Everbloom Idol now has an upgrade: [Idol of the Ravenous Beast].  It costs 15 [Emblem of Heroism].

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- What about powershifting?
Check out this thread: http://www.emmerald.net/forum/index.php?topic=651.0.

It would probably be easier to say "Powershifting is dead" than provide a link.


Everything past this looks good.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 11:30:30 PM »

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10. Berserk on cooldown, ideally when at 80-90 energy with TF up

Quick correction here... you cannot use TF during Berserk.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 11:51:41 PM »

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10. Berserk on cooldown, ideally when at 80-90 energy with TF up

Quick correction here... you cannot use TF during Berserk.

There is 2:45 secs where Berserk is on CD and TF can be used however.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 12:09:28 AM »

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10. Berserk on cooldown, ideally when at 80-90 energy with TF up

Quick correction here... you cannot use TF during Berserk.

There is 2:45 secs where Berserk is on CD and TF can be used however.

Maybe I misread your logic there but I understood the number 10 in that post to be read  "Use Berserk whenever it is ready, ideally with TF available".  Hence my correction.

If that's not what you meant then feel free to ignore what I wrote.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 03:35:59 PM »

You can pop TF right before Berserk, which is what he meant.
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