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« on: November 15, 2008, 05:19:45 AM »

The original of this thread is maintained at ElitistJerks here.  I will try and maintain this one as well, but the EJ will be the "main" Version.

All of these are for Level 80 Feral with HotW, SotF & Imp.MotW talents.  Numbers in (brackets) are with Blessing of Kings :-


Strength
1 Str = 2.37864 AP (2.616504 AP) (Cat)
1 Str = 2.1624 AP (2.37864 AP) (Bear)
1 Str = 2.292144 AP (2.5213584 AP) (Bear with PotP)


Agility

1 Agi = 1.18932 AP (1.308252 AP) (Cat only)
1 Agi = 0.0129744% (0.01427184%) Crit
1 Agi = 0.0225641% (0.0248206%) Dodge
1 Agi = 2.1624 (2.37864) Armor

77.075 (70.068) Agi = 1% Crit
44.318 (40.289) Agi = 1% Dodge


Stamina
1 Sta = 10.812 (11.8932) Health (Cat)
1 Sta = 14.8665 (16.35315) Health (Bear)


Intellect
1 Int = 19.4616 (21.40776) Mana
1 Int = 0.00778464% (0.0085631%) SpellCrit

125.458 (116.780) Int = 1% SpellCrit

Intellect also increases the amount of health & mana regen you get from Spirit - not very important for ferals


Spirit
Spirit increases your out of combat health regen and your out of 5sec rule mana regen - not very important for ferals


Crit Rating
1 CritRating = 0.022% Crit
45.91 CritRating = 1% Crit


Dodge Rating
1 DodgeRating = 0.0220982% Dodge
45.2525 DodgeRating = 1% Dodge


Haste Rating
1 HasteRating = 0.03965% Haste
25.223 HasteRating = 1% Haste


Hit Rating
1 HitRating = 0.030% Hit
32.79 HitRating = 1% Hit

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5% Hit = 163.95 HitRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5% Hit = 180.34 HitRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6% Hit = 196.74 HitRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 8% Hit = 262.32 HitRating (Raid Bosses)


Expertise Rating
1 ExpertiseRating = 0.0305% reduction in dodge & parry chance
32.79 ExpertiseRating = 1% reduction in dodge & parry chance

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 163.95 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 180.345 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 196.74 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 6.5%(Dodge) / 15%(Parry) = 213.135 / 491.85 ExpertiseRating (Raid Bosses)

The 10 Expertise we get from Primal Precision is equivalent to 81.975 ExpertiseRating so subtract that from the above figures if you have that talent.


Defense Rating
1 DefenseRating = 0.008% dodge and 0.008% chance to be missed and 0.008% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )
122.96 Defense Rating = 1% chance to dodge and 1% chance to be missed and 1% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )

1 DefRating = 0.64 DodgeRating (counting misses as dodges)



ArmorPenetration Rating
1 ArPenRating = 0.07145% ArmorPenetration
13.9957272 ArPenRating = 1% Armor Penetration

ArPen cap (100%) = 1400 ArPen


Resilience
94.27125 Resilience = -1% chance to be crit, -2.2% crit damage, -1% all damage & -2.2% mana drain reduction

1414.06872 Resilience = 33% reduction from crit damage = the cap for this part of resilience's effect


Regualar (white) Armor
Includes non-bonus armor from all slots except rings, trinkets, neck & weapon. All armor from rings, trinkets, neck & weapon as well as armor patchs & any bonus (green) armor on items & armor from Agi receive no bonus from SotF, Thick Hide or the metagem

1 Armor = 6.251 Armor (Bear)
1 Armor = 6.8761 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide)
1 Armor = 7.013622 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide & Armor Metagem)

Damage Reduction from Armor % = Armor * 100 / (Armor + (467.5 * AttackerLevel - 22167.5))

DR% for Lvl83 Boss mobs = Armor * 100 / (Armor + 16635)

Armor cap (75% DR) for Lvl83 Boss mobs = 49905 Armor





Phew....that stopped me getting much done at work today Smiley

Please post any corrections or additions/modifications you think should be made, preferably with a link to where you got your info.  Most of this came from wowwiki & ElitistJerks.

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2008, 03:00:49 AM »

Thank you Rare!  I really needed this info... Well, the 70 version, but this is close enough for now.

-Crissa
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2008, 10:46:25 AM »

Hello Smiley

I looked in forum but couldnt find any posts.

Regarding haste, is this a stat to aim for, like swithing out a trinket  "use: increase your ap with +x  with one "use: increase your hasterating with x"?

Where on the "stat" list would you put haste for cat?
And last  question should i put strgems on new gear with str ones?

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2008, 02:20:24 AM »

Haste could get a whole thread on itself.

Haste only increases white damage, except for Maul.  Hast is, basically a straight +% bonus white damage.  If your amount of AP is the same percent of your white damage, it's probable that replacing an AP item with a haste item would be okay.

The problems with Haste is that there are many debuffs which slow your attack speed, rendering Haste moot, and most especially:  It does not boost your Bleed damage.

-Crissa

...And with this, I give the suggestion that I have no idea how to measure the value of such a stat compared to other stats.  At certain points, things can have the same DPS 'value' but that value is highly variable via circumstance like debuffs, styles, opponents.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2008, 02:31:44 PM »

Based on an old blue post OoC procs will come more often with haste.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 05:37:28 AM »

Can we have this stickied?

And does this also mean, Rare, that:

1 Agl = 0.96 Dodge Rating
1 Agl = 0.545 Crit Rating

Yes?

I often need to compare Agility straight to a rating, so it'd be handy to have it in there...

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 06:45:00 AM »

Correct - as far as the dodge/crit is concerned.

Of course Agi gives all of those benefits while DodgeRating only gives Dodge and CritRating only gives Crit, so Agi is a lot more valuable.

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 12:14:54 PM »

I used to use the Pawn addon to get a quick look at the value of items versus the ones I am currently using, and if they're close, I can research further with RAWR or the list.  Anyone have Pawn values for the new mechanics?
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 01:03:57 PM »

All of these are for Level 80 Feral with HotW (I have ignored the 6% to all stats from SotF for simplicity) EmbarrassedThis simplicity is unwarranted. AP and the other ratings are not affected by SotF, so the 6% is actually quite relevant.

Other than that, this list is great. Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2008, 09:52:26 AM »

The original post has been updated. 

All relevant calcularions now include SotF.   
Figures in (brackets) include Blessing of Kings.   
Also added a section for armor and DR%

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2008, 06:29:50 PM »

I'd say snag a haste trinket if it comes along--I got one from questing in Borean Tundra that increases AP on use, with a passive haste bonus. I can't remember, but I think there was an upgrade from a quest in my log for one with slightly bigger AP on use and AP passive as well. I also hopped a turtle over to Howling Fjord for a similar fun little trinket that also gets you drunk every time you use it. XD
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2008, 07:30:50 AM »

Yeah, tough choices, they are.

So far I've only held onto the haste + haste trinket and an idol.  I'm deliberately holding off doing all the quests.  Slow and steady.

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2008, 08:22:25 AM »

Yeah, tough choices, they are.

So far I've only held onto the haste + haste trinket and an idol.  I'm deliberately holding off doing all the quests.  Slow and steady.

-Crissa

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And the only idol I've seen is the lame version of [Idol of Terror], which I've already got for both tanking and soloing ([Everbloom Idol] for pure dps)
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 09:20:54 PM »

thx for the nice info Grin
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 02:53:39 AM »

Thanks RareBeast, this is worth a sticky.
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